Leopold Aschenbrenner — 2027 AGI, China/US super-intelligence race, & the return of history

Chatted with my friend Leopold Aschenbrenner about the trillion dollar cluster, unhobblings + scaling = 2027 AGI, CCP espionage at AI labs, leaving OpenAI and starting an AGI investment firm, dangers of outsourcing clusters to the Middle East, & The Project. Read the new essay series from Leopold this episode is based on here: https://situational-awareness.ai/ 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒 Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/leopo... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5NQF... Follow me on Twitter:   / dwarkesh_sp   Follow Leopold on Twitter: https://x.com/leopoldasch 𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐌𝐏𝐒 00:00:00 The trillion-dollar cluster and unhobbling 00:21:20 AI 2028: The return of history 00:41:15 Espionage & American AI superiority 01:09:09 Geopolitical implications of AI 01:32:12 State-led vs. private-led AI 02:13:12 Becoming Valedictorian of Columbia at 19 02:31:24 What happened at OpenAI 02:46:00 Intelligence explosion 03:26:47 Alignment 03:42:15 On Germany, and understanding foreign perspectives 03:57:53 Dwarkesh's immigration story and path to the podcast 04:03:16 Random questions 04:08:47 Launching an AGI hedge fund 04:20:03 Lessons from WWII 04:29:57 Coda: Frederick the Great