On wasteful spending: "Is now the time to spend that kind of money when we have a $620 billion deficit and we're going to be paying interest on borrowed money, or wait until a better time?" On whistleblowers and waste in the federal government: "We have a lot of federal workers that know what is happening and don't like it. Then they're treated harshly by the departments they work for, for raising the question about it. It has to start with leadership, has to start with agency heads and department heads, and we just don't have it. ... Until we get that, we're going to continue to spend money that we don't have on things we don't absolutely need." On lowering the deficit: "We need to lead by not spending money that we don't absolutely have to spend. So what if you didn't spend your entire budget and it goes away? The point is we're going to be in trouble. We're already in trouble; we just don't feel it yet." "The cost and consequences to this is going to be felt tremendously by those least capable of bearing the burden of that cost, and that's those less fortunate in our society. The things that are going to get wrecked when this comes falling down is the social safety net."