When is a test not a test? Clare Sudbery talks to Daniel Terhorst-North about all things testing – including why unit tests are not tests, and why “Test Driven Development” would be better named “Example Guided Design.” Guest: Daniel Terhorst-North is a technology and organisational change specialist who has been coaching, coding and consulting for over 25 years. He applies systems thinking, lean and agile principles to solving complex business and technical problems. Host: Clare Sudbery is a Lead Engineer with Made Tech and a maths graduate with 21 years of software engineering experience. She has a particular interest in teaching and mentoring, enabling more diversity in IT, and banishing imposter syndrome. Our theme tune is “For The Miles” by Richard Murray Learn more about our open roles: https://www.madetech.com/careers/