Why Time, Space, and Matter Are an Illusion – Rupert Spira & Don Hoffman

Is science finally waking up to what the great spiritual traditions have been pointing to all along? I spoke with Donald Hoffman and Rupert Spira about what we really know about reality — and what we don’t. We discuss the illusion of spacetime, our one shared Being and consciousness. This conversation was originally recorded a couple of years ago for Rupert's channel, but I've never shared it here. It's one of the most insightful exchanges I've had the pleasure of hosting - hope you enjoy. TIMESTAMP 0:00 Introduction 3:20 Can we trust what we see? 8:40 The blind spot in mainstream science 14:10 What’s really doing the seeing? 19:45 Where is matter, exactly? 26:20 Space-time is cracking 33:40 Why isn’t this bigger news? 39:05 The word “illusion” is misunderstood 45:10 Dimensions beyond what we perceive 56:30 What’s a conscious agent? 1:03:15 One reality, many appearances 1:10:20 Why anything seems separate 1:16:05 Is there purpose behind this play? 1:24:30 How perception builds a user interface 1:34:50 Towards a deeper science 1:40:20 Bridging science and direct experience 1:48:00 What ancient teachings got right 1:54:30 When thinking lets go 2:00:40 The illusion of being a separate someone 2:09:00 How to meet fear and belief 2:14:10 Embodying this, not just talking about it